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Chad H
08-11-2008, 03:33 PM
Slings are a very important accessory on a rifle. The AR platform is no different, and because of its role as a fighting gun needs slings a bit different than the simple carry strap equipping many rifles.

The following is an excellent article written by Larry A Vickers on the advantages and disadvantages of the numerous and popular 1pt, 2pt, and 3pt styles commonly on fighting guns. Many people equip their gun do to it looking cool, or it was what was sold to them by the salesman. Others experience sticker shock over some types of slings and sometimes mistakingly buy ones they think are just as good for cheap. Commonly some people do not know what the different types of slings are used for. Hopefully the following article will help.

http://www.vickerstactical.com/TacticalTips/CarbineSlings.aspx

Carbine Slings

With the introduction of my quick adjust two point sling design by Blue Force Gear I felt it was time to share my thoughts on carbine slings. For those who have had my carbine classes this will be old news but those who haven’t may enjoy reading this.

1) Single Point Slings - As many of you know I am not a fan of this design. In my opinion it has far too many negatives for very few positives. The one big plus of the single point design is it is very easy to switch from shoulder to shoulder for weak side barricade shooting. It is a big advantage in that situation. However I honestly cannot think of another attribute it has; everything else in my opinion is negative. It tends to make the rifle dangle and hang off of you like a dead #$@!#$@!#$@!#$@!er spaniel. When you are shooting on the move after a transition it tends to interfere with your movement as the carbine wants to hang in front of your body. It also likes to hang up on kit as it is tight around your upper torso. When you take a knee it is guaranteed you will muzzle strike the ground unless you control it. Also if you are trying to climb anything it wants to hang in front of your body and prevent you from climbing efficiently. Single point slings are great if you are static at the 7 yd line and play bullet hose but other than that, in my humble opinion, they suck. As far as I am concerned all the negatives greatly outweigh the sole positive feature.

2) Three Point Slings - I very rarely see these in classes anymore as I think everyone has gotten the word on them. With an AR style carbine they are about the worst possible choice. They offer none of the advantages of an adjustable two point with almost every negative in the book. They tend to hang up on kit big time. For a right hander they can interfere with controls and for a left hander they interfere with ejection. If you are standing around with no body armor on they may be cool (I don’t think so) but with any gear on shooters quickly figure out they are lame beyond belief. Like I said fortunately most people have gotten the word on three point slings so they are scarce in the circles I run in.

3) Two Point Slings - Non adjustable two point slings like a standard USGI M16 sling offer real advantages in the ability to transition easily and keep the sling from hanging up on kit but suffer from the fact they are rarely the ideal length for any given task. They are generally too long or too short depending on a shooters position. Enter the quick adjust two point sling; in my opinion the best all around choice for a carbine sling and the overwhelming favorite in the Spec Ops circles I run in. It offers the best features, all things considered, with one negative vs. a single point design. Most of the time you will have to unsling one shoulder to do weak side barricade shooting. This of course depends on how you wear it and the kit you have on at the time. I used a two point quick adjust sling made by Boonie Packer called the BP-5 model for nearly two decades with excellent results.

In later years I realized the BP-5 was in serious need of updating, so I set about refining the design, all the while searching for a vendor to make my idea of the best two point quick adjust sling available. Luckily for me, I had Ashley Burnsed of Blue Force Gear in a recent carbine/pistol class. I was impressed with not only his open-minded attitude, but the superb quality of his products. We put our heads together, and after a short time, the Vickers Tactical Combat Applications Sling was the result. In my obviously biased opinion, it is the best adjustable two point design to date. Ashley, who I now call ‘Der Slingmeister’, did a great job turning my ideas into hardware and now we are ready for primetime. Initial feedback from some very experienced end users has been overwhelmingly positive. Needless to say, we are both very excited about this project.

A version with a wider padded strap for heavier rifles is coming next. Then we are going to put our heads together to design a purpose built special cutaway version. Stand by for updates.

In closing, I recommend you try a quick adjust two point sling; if not mine then another vendor’s design. I think eventually you will agree with me in it is the best choice given all the factors involved

steel609
08-11-2008, 03:36 PM
Excellent post Chad!!! Very informative. Keep em coming!

Chad H
08-11-2008, 04:07 PM
My own experiences have proved to be quite similar. I prefer slings on all of my guns. Even my 22's will have some form of a sling. One thing I make sure of is that there is enough length to it so I can sling it over my shoulder as I carry it, either hunting or for tactical uses.

I used to have an MP5 that had the factory HK 3 point sling. They work very well for the MP5. The MP5 doesn't have any controls on the left like the AR to get in the way. The #$@!#$@!#$@!#$@!ing handle on the left isn't impacted by the sling.

I used an older Boonie Packer Patrol sling. This worked very well for most of my uses, and when I wanted a simple sling for a non-work rifle I installed it. I had no problems with it for duty-use, and it currently rides on another duty rifle of my uncle's. It was very inexpensive, quick to take on and off, and was an excellent sling. The thing I did not like it is that it took two hands to adjust. More on this reasoning later.

I've purchased some different slings since then. Tactical Tailor had a 3pt that I got a number of years ago. It was 1 1/2 wide, which I appreciated for not catching on gear and supported weight quite well on my shoulder. It had a buckle for unwrapping me from the sling if needed. I'd recommend it to anyone, however they aren't making it anymore. I installed a Sling Thing Shooting System sling to evaluate it. Few other people ont he dept were doing a group buy to upgrade the issue rifles. It worked, but one thing I found was even when the company directions were followed, it did not work well slung behind ones person. I found I wanted the sling secured for anytime I wanted both my hands. Cuffing, climbing, I found the need fit either when I was working, hunting, or in general exploring and walking the woods with my rifle. The barrel tended to flop to my side and point directions I did not want, or spin back around in front of me. Adjustments were not very fast and required two hands to do so. Another issue is that with a 3point sling there is a strap that extends alongside the weapon between the front and rear connections, and then another section that connects these two points over the shoulder. That section along the weapon sometimes impeded me by covering the bolt release of the AR. I also had problems with switching to shoot from my opposite side.

For all the issues I had with the 3pt, I still would have no problems using it if I needed to. The 1pt sling that everyone finds so cool to put on is another matter. There is a point and time for these, and it involves wearing armor. Iv'e used a 1pt once in my life,and it was due to having too many layers on for the installed sling to adjust over. So I had to disconnect the front and fashion a quick 1pt. It worked, but was nowheres near ideal.

I went back to the Boonie Packer while I looked for another solution. I had seen very positive reviews on Kyle Lambs VTAC and Larry Vicker's VCAS 2pt adjustable slings. I had the opportunity to get some hands on exposure with both of them, although I got to run the VTAC for 3 days. I was impressed with both.

Both of them are adjustable with one hand. Both of them I am able to secure on my back if needed or tighten after I get it on. They basically are very good slings that handle needs that go beyond simple carry straps. The main diffrerences between them is material (VTAC is a slicker, narrower nylon than the stiffer, wider VCAS) and that the VTAC's adjustment creates a tail that hangs down that some do not like. Both are excellent. I purchased a VTAC and will be purchasing a VCAS for my next gun.

Yes, these slings run a little bit, especially if you also need to get hardware to mount on a guns rails. Even if you use a standard gun, if you don't have a side sling mount you need to fashion one out of some nylon cordage and a triangular buckle or a nylon strap and a tri-glide buckle. Either way will work well if done right.

robcam817
09-23-2008, 01:49 PM
This appears to be a dead link

http://www.vickerstactical.com/Tips/carbineSlings.htm

Chad H
09-23-2008, 10:57 PM
Link should be fixed now.