Does your jericho shoot to the right?

[R3DUSMC]

I've successfully ran 100 rounds thru my Jericho .45acp with no FTF/FTE issues. I aim center mass but no matter SA or DA, my rounds will hit center but slightly right of the black. What type of rear sight adjustment can I make in order to get my shots center mass? should I attempt to shift the rear sight slightly right or left?

[JW380]

The rear sight will need to go to the left. I would recommend considering a gunsmith for the job. From what I have read on here the sights don't move easily.

[LeagueOfWickersham]

Or move the front to the right. I banged on both and could not budge either one.

Yes, my compact .40 shoots to right as well.

[RAVEN]

I haven't had the opportunity to put any rounds through my Jericho just yet, but soon. As I plan on using this pistol when I go through the Magpul Carbine 1 and 2 course in April. 2000 round of 5.56 and between 300 and 500rounds of 9mm when transitioning to the secondary weapon.

Yeah Gents ...the sights I pressed in REALLY TIGHT from the factory. PLEASE have a gunsmith make the adjustments. Before the "site crash" we had a member that attempted the adjustments on his Jericho and damaged the rear sight. IIRC he was needing to replace the sight. Be careful if you need to maek any adjustments. Take Good Care and Be Safe Always.


-RAVEN-

[JavaTee]

R3, Are you sure you weren't like me when I went out my first time.....I was shooting low-left (anticipating the recoil <--or lack thereof). Yesterday I went out and fired 45 rounds (CCH class) and 95% were center target.

Make sure of proper hand grip, and where your finger is on the trigger. Some weapons will give you some leeway on grip/trigger, and some are more picky.

Another thought was, Are you left eye dominant, and shooting right handed (with both eyes open while shooting)?

Later, T.J.

[Millie]

Mine was great out of the box but became more and more to the right and very low, not just for me, but for other very experienced shooters. I sent it to KBI and got it back after a month. I still don't know what they did with/to it, but it now shoots straight. It looks as though they adjusted the rear sight (to the left). If it moves again, it's taking a one-way trip to KBI. I love this pistol though, shoots like a dream! oh, full size steel .40. :D

[RAVEN]

Hmmm ... This makes me curious to being able to solve this issue. A while back I read a review on a BE from MRI and what I read was that there were 2set screws in the rear sight that could be tightened down.

I know those don't exist on the Present Jerichos with the Novak type sight, but I'm wondering if a good gunsmith can put set screws in the present sights to keep them from drifting ...Just a thought??? If possible, I'd be willing to have this done to my Jericho.

I've noticed that this issues exists in .40 and .45. Has anybody experienced this with the 9mm yet???

Like mentioned earlier ...this problem can exist with the shooter. Not saying anyone here is a Bad Shot, just saying ...from my experience, the BE/Jericho can be a very tempermental pistol. Take me for example ...every once in a while when I shoot, I tend to "push" the trigger to the right or "pull" to the left ever so slightly rather than "squeezing" straight back. Depending on what I'm doing my shots will be slightly right or left. Just something to think about. Many of that don't shoot all of the time have to go back to fundamentals. I have to do it all of the time, even as a firearms instructor :o. Take Good Care and Be Safe Always.


-RAVEN-

[R3DUSMC]

Hmmm ... This makes me curious to being able to solve this issue. A while back I read a review on a BE from MRI and what I read was that there were 2set screws in the rear sight that could be tightened down.

I know those don't exist on the Present Jerichos with the Novak type sight, but I'm wondering if a good gunsmith can put set screws in the present sights to keep them from drifting ...Just a thought??? If possible, I'd be willing to have this done to my Jericho.

I've noticed that this issues exists in .40 and .45. Has anybody experienced this with the 9mm yet???

Like mentioned earlier ...this problem can exist with the shooter. Not saying anyone here is a Bad Shot, just saying ...from my experience, the BE/Jericho can be a very tempermental pistol. Take me for example ...every once in a while when I shoot, I tend to "push" the trigger to the right or "pull" to the left ever so slightly rather than "squeezing" straight back. Depending on what I'm doing my shots will be slightly right or left. Just something to think about. Many of that don't shoot all of the time have to go back to fundamentals. I have to do it all of the time, even as a firearms instructor :o. Take Good Care and Be Safe Always.


-RAVEN-

Raven, thanks Brother. No matter the "expert" we're only human so I'm sure it's operator error. I'm going to try a different grip position w/this one. it's definitely not the 1911 or berretta M9, it's been taking some getting use to. be safe brother;)

[R3DUSMC]

Mine was great out of the box but became more and more to the right and very low, not just for me, but for other very experienced shooters. I sent it to KBI and got it back after a month. I still don't know what they did with/to it, but it now shoots straight. It looks as though they adjusted the rear sight (to the left). If it moves again, it's taking a one-way trip to KBI. I love this pistol though, shoots like a dream! oh, full size steel .40. :D
Thanks Millie, I was thinking about trying it out more & then if I still pull to the center but more towards the right, I'd like to see if I could move it myself, I don't want to send it off anywhere:mad:

[R3DUSMC]

R3, Are you sure you weren't like me when I went out my first time.....I was shooting low-left (anticipating the recoil <--or lack thereof). Yesterday I went out and fired 45 rounds (CCH class) and 95% were center target.

Make sure of proper hand grip, and where your finger is on the trigger. Some weapons will give you some leeway on grip/trigger, and some are more picky.

Another thought was, Are you left eye dominant, and shooting right handed (with both eyes open while shooting)?

Later, T.J.

Maybe mine would be trigger placement or support hand placement. I'll check both. I'm not saying that my shots are in the white, but I'm trying to punch the center out of the target & it keeps "leaking" onto the white.lol

[adv]

Raven, I had this problem with my 9mm Jericho and took it to the gunsmith twice to adjust the sights.
Detailed this in this thread:
http://www.charlesdalyforum.com/showthread.php?t=1614

[RAVEN]

Hey adv, Thanks for the "Heads Up" ... I'll be keeping an eye on it when I do get the opportunity to put some rounds through it. Take Good Care and Be Safe Always.


-RAVEN-

[Millie]

I agree on the theory of operator error, it usually is! At least with me it is, that's why I had others shoot it. I typically shoot low and to the left, I've been working on that anticipatory pull-down ;)

However, it got to the point where it was so bad that it was extremely difficult to compensate for, so when other people had the same issue with it I knew there was something wrong. And it concerns me that there are so many out there with the same issue--to the right, and sometimes low, as well. Sights should not be 'drifting', particularly on such a good pistol, with such a good reputation. I took her back out the other day and she's right on, at least as right on as I get. Haven't had the opportunity to get others to test her out, it's been cold and fortunately, busy in the workplace. I only wish KBI had written something, ANYTHING, on the service order as to what they did while she was in their hands.

I just love the look and feel of this pistol, my heart skips a beat every time I pull her out for a fondle :D

[R3DUSMC]

Thanks Millie, I'm going to have a few people shoot it at the range so I ca make sure it's not operator error. I know we can all make mistakes, but I apply the fundamentals, slow steady squeeze, proper sight alignment/picture, etc. I have tight groups, but if I could just get them to the center, I'd be happy:D

[cz75luver]

I was shooting low and left and started trying different grips. I had learned to lock my thumbs together where the support thumb would cover the strong thumb. I went to the thumbs straight grip and it almost instantly corrected my problem. Another thing I did was go to having my support hand provide 60% of the grip strength so that my strong hand is more relaxed and the trigger pull doesn't pull the POA. YMMV

[Millie]

Thanks for the grip tips, I'm always looking to improve my shooting. Are you by chance a lefty? The .40 cal is a newer one for me and has a snappiness to it that I'm still getting used to. Practice practice practice! :shooting:

[cz75luver]

No, I'm a righty.

[jmacken37]

Yes. My mid-sized, metal-framed Jericho NIB is shooting to the R.

Jake

[Millie]

And now the rollpin to the trigger assembly comes out after 60 rounds :(

Hey KBI/CD: :spanking:

[JW380]

And now the rollpin to the trigger assembly comes out after 60 rounds

Sorry to hear your experience with that gun has continued to be of a less than stellar nature. I know that is frustrating as all get out.

[Millie]

Thanks JW380, appreciate it.

I so love this pistol. I mean love love love. Put a nice Hogue rubber grip on her, nice and smooth. Do you think this particular one is just a lemon? Maybe look for an original, first generation BE? I can't quite face CS again, not just yet.

[adv]

That sucks Millie, I know what you mean about loving the pistol and it not operating properly. It's the Shot Show this week so I can only imagine CS getting busier in the coming weeks and months..........

[Millie]

It's the Shot Show this week....

Oh how I wish I could attend! Fun Fun Fun! :)

[UKWildcats]

Just purchased a Jericho 941 in 9mm -- Full Size, JGR2009.

Took it out Friday -- Shoot Low and Right at 7 yards.

Right I fixed with hammer and brass punch -- not sure how it looks at 25 yards though,

Low -- don't have a fix except taller rear sight -- or shorter front sight.

Question -- is anyone's else barrel at the low right side of the slide at the end of the slide/barrel. This would cause the impact problems it this was not considered by the designer -- my Browning Hi-Power's barrel is situated the same way but I have no trouble with impact points.

Thanks

UK

[LeagueOfWickersham]

Just purchased a Jericho 941 in 9mm -- Full Size, JGR2009.

Took it out Friday -- Shoot Low and Right at 7 yards.

Right I fixed with hammer and brass punch -- not sure how it looks at 25 yards though,

Low -- don't have a fix except taller rear sight -- or shorter front sight.

Question -- is anyone's else barrel at the low right side of the slide at the end of the slide/barrel. This would cause the impact problems it this was not considered by the designer -- my Browning Hi-Power's barrel is situated the same way but I have no trouble with impact points.

Thanks

UK

Mine does not look like that, but it does shoot to the right (not low). I think mine is a simple case of the front sight being skewed too far left as I can see this visually. I know adjusting the rear is the preferred method, but due to the width of the rear, there is not any room to move it without some overhang (and its pretty much perfectly centered now).

I ordered a B&J universal sight pusher that is supposed to work with any gun, so I will give that a try since I could not budge anything with a hammer and punch. It looks like it will work if in theory if I remove the saftey/decocker off the frame before putting it in the device. I will keep provide an update when I receive it to see if it will get the job done.

[adv]

League please let us know how that works out, you could make some money renting that out to us all methinks.........

[LeagueOfWickersham]

UPDATE:

When I got home yesterday, I found UPS had come and dropped off the new universal sight tool so I tried it out.

It was a success! I was able to move the front sight and center it with the slide, something I found impossible to do with hammer and punch. I also moved the rear sight back and forth a little to make sure the tool could handle drifting it as well. The sights are extremely tight! I have not got to fire it yet to see if my first adjustment corrects POI, but I can always do some tweaking later.

For anyone else considering this, here are some pointers I would recommend to make things go smooth.

You need to remove the safety lever/decocker in order mount the slide securely in the tool. At first, I thought I could get around this, but the tool cannot get enough firm grip on the slide if you try to elevate it high enough for the lever to clear the tool "walls". It must come off. Removing the safety/decocker is not bad - I can provide more detailed instructions if anyone wants them.

The tool came with three different tips for pushing - small square, large square, round. I found that when using the squares, the tip would rotate a little when the pressure got tough, so I used the round for the front. Due to the steep angle of the slide on both sides, the slide started rotating sideways inside the tool when I turned the pusher knob hard. THe company sells a special clamp the connects to top of tool that puts pressure on the top of the slide to prevent this, but it was $65 and I did not buy it. Instead, I used a large C-Clamp and a piece of cardboard (to protect finish) to secure the top of the slide, basically locking the slide in place at all four points.

Fine tuning the position of the pusher tip was the most tedious part - especially for the front since the base is so small. You do not want to push on the front sight blade itself (I can see it being snapped off if you do, especially if it is tight as mine) - instead push on the flat area at base that slides into dovetail. Be careful and double check everything before using hard pressure.

After everything was lined up, a few strong turns of the pusher tip moved my front sight over about 1/8" - right where I think it should be. I then reversed it and tried the rear - much easier to setup because it is a bigger area to work with.

Anyway, thought I would share for those of you who have POI issues and do not want to send it back to factory or have a gunsmith perform the work.

[adv]

Be interesting to see if the sights drift back when you shoot the pistol like mine did.Will you be able to tell with the naked eye if they do or will you mark the sights to see if they move in the dovetail?

[LeagueOfWickersham]

Be interesting to see if the sights drift back when you shoot the pistol like mine did.Will you be able to tell with the naked eye if they do or will you mark the sights to see if they move in the dovetail?

I will be able to tell with naked eye. I would be surprised if they drift back - like I said they were extremely tight.

How many rounds did you fire before you noticed they drifted back and was it your front or rear you adjusted?

If they do, I guess a few drops of red loctite will be in order (or maybe stake them?)

[Millie]

Encouraging news, League! Thank you!

[adv]

It was about 30 rounds before they drifted back, it was the back sites that were adjusted. I really hope this works out well and we can sort this thing out once and for all.

[DBFIU]

How many guns are plagued by this?

I havent gotten my jericho yet and im a little worried about this offcenter shooting problem.

Was it a bad batch or something?

[LeagueOfWickersham]

seems to be a common theme...

[JavaTee]

Was it a bad batch or something?

I'm curious if it's caliber related, or day of the week finaled?

So far my mid size .45 is dead on.

Later, T.J.

[McQ68]

I'm curious if it's caliber related, or day of the week finaled? So far my mid size .45 is dead on. Later, T.J.
I've worked in different production companies and sometimes during a shift a machine goes out of tolerance and some of the product makes it out the door. Could just be a group of serial numbers involved. Just guessing.

[Millie]

That's been my uneducated guess from the get-go, that I just got hold of a 'lemon'. I wish KBI had replaced it like they originally considered. But for now it shoots straight, the roll pin hasn't been lost, and I'm still in love....even with a 'lemon' :rolleyes:

[LeagueOfWickersham]

I'm curious if it's caliber related, or day of the week finaled?

So far my mid size .45 is dead on.

Later, T.J.

My midsize .45 has been dead on as well. Perhaps its a .40/9mm thing? I would like to believe it is a small batch, but my .40 compact is a MR gun, Nov. 2008 dated and it was shooting right as well until I moved the sights.

I guess it's possible, but I would hate to think the bad batch has lasted for a year and through two different importers.

[mattyj513]

my midsize .45 is also dead on...has everyone with this problem compared make (mr/kbi), caliber, and whether they are steel or polymer? if you guys narrowed it down it could only make a solution easier to find, be it by the owners or cs.

[Millie]

full size, KBI, .40, steel frame, purchased 11/09, shell casing shot at lab 6/09.

[Millie]

Every time I take her out for the day she shoots better and better. Put a hogue rubber grip on to help with the smack of the .40, she's even smoother than before. :shooting:

[JavaTee]

You shouldn't tease of putting on Hogue grips without posting pics, it's just not nice :-)

Later, T.J.

[Millie]

My manners are terrible!
And my BB skills are worse!
Can someone please help me upload my pic? :confused:

http://i927.photobucket.com/albums/ad112/Millie941S/Jericho941SGrip.jpg

[steel609]

My manners are terrible!
And my BB skills are worse!
Can someone please help me upload my pic? :confused:

Email it to me and I'll post if for you.

[Millie]

Thanks, Steel! Sent you a link.
~M~

Ahhh she's a beaut!! Got the hogue grip on, helps with that .40 'snappiness'.
Thanks again
:bowdown:

[adv]

Nice Millie, waiting on some Hogue Tulipwood grips (been over a month now) so we'll see how they turn out.

[JavaTee]

Very nice Millie, Did you get the roll/spring pin taken care of?

I'm waiting for Hogue to do a set of grips for the mid-size .45's.

Later, T.J.

[Millie]

We pushed it back in and it flared a bit more, so far, so good. I love the grip, I didn't mind it before, but this rubber Hogue just makes the whole sequence become part of my body. I kinda like that :o
Haven't decided whether I'm going to get a fancier grip for her or just buy another (maybe a .45 this time, you guys have me convinced) and accessorize that one to be the 'pretty girl'. Oh dear, look what's happened to me!